In a candid discussion on the latest episode of The Joe Rogan Experience, Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg didn’t hold back on his opinions about Apple, its ecosystem, and the tech giant’s approach to innovation. Zuckerberg’s comments reflect his dissatisfaction with Apple’s status quo in delivering ground-breaking technology and its restrictive policies.

Zuckerberg commented, “[Apple has] used [iPhone] Applying a lot of rules that I think feel arbitrary. I feel like they haven’t really invented anything great in a while. It’s like Steve Jobs invented the iPhone and now he’s sitting on it 20 years later.

These statements point to a broader criticism of Apple’s reliance on past successes. For Zuckerberg, the dominance of the iPhone — introduced in 2007 — has allowed Apple to establish and enforce policies that he believes stifle competition and innovation in the broader tech industry. is A major point of contention is the App Store’s controversial 30% transaction fee for developers, a policy that Zuckerberg and others in the industry say is burdensome and restrictive.

The App Store’s face has long been painful for companies like Meta, which rely on those platforms to distribute their applications. Zuckerberg’s frustration is indicative of a broader industry concern: whether platform owners, such as Apple, are unfairly using their control to limit what other companies can achieve. He added that these rules “are not really tied to any good or new ideas.”

Zuckerberg’s comments come amid ongoing tensions between Apple and Meta. The two tech giants have clashed in recent years, particularly over privacy policies introduced by Apple in 2021, which significantly affected Meta’s ad revenue. These policies gave users more control over their data, making it harder for companies like Meta to target ads effectively.

While Zuckerberg acknowledged Apple’s past successes, his criticism suggests the tech company falls short of the high standards set by its late co-founder Steve Jobs. As the tech industry continues to evolve, Zuckerberg’s comments add to a growing conversation about the need for innovation and fairness in a rapidly changing digital ecosystem.